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Post by solostyle on Jul 14, 2015 5:35:24 GMT -7
Anybody have thought's on a good clean powder/cfe223?
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Post by Admin on Jul 14, 2015 16:39:23 GMT -7
Whats might be best or what is best that is available? I have used 760 and 748 both meter well and give good results for distances you might be shooting with your new toy.
Good luck..
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Post by rbglock on Jul 14, 2015 19:38:03 GMT -7
I like TAC for plinking loads & since I haven't seen any Varget for a couple years, I use Benchmark for heavy bullet long range loads.
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Post by wyo7200 on Jul 14, 2015 20:23:44 GMT -7
That Cfe 223 is so hot right now!
What bullet are you thinking of using?
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Post by solostyle on Jul 16, 2015 5:25:13 GMT -7
im thinking 68gn or 52gn bullet 14.5'' barrel.
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Post by wyo7200 on Jul 17, 2015 7:34:30 GMT -7
Ar-comp and cfe223 is good with the heavies, and R10x is good with the lighter bullets. Give me a few and I'll do some work in ql for an estimate of velocities.
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Post by wyo7200 on Jul 18, 2015 5:24:12 GMT -7
Since I don’t have your exact measurements and chronographed data- please keep in mind that these are just estimates to compare powders at a charge weight at specific barrel time. They can be off, and so can the estimated pressures. Stay safe and don’t jump right in with these “what ifs”. If you’d like me to run more specific estimates, feel free to let me know. Please note, I suggest conservative loads that give accuracy. Your rifle may be able to handle the higher pressures and reach the faster nodes, but please work up to them.
Barrel nodes: .625 .679 .747 .802 .869 .925 .991 1.048 1.113 1.171
68gr: Using CFE 223 as a starting point- You’ll probably get great accuracy around the 2550 fps mark with that 14.5” barrel and 25.4gr. The next fastest node is estimated to be right under the 55k saami psi limit (for .223- because I am referencing Hodgdon data which states 25.8gr CFE 223 as max with a 69gr bullet.)
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 68, Hornady BTHP M 2278
Useable Case Capaci: 26.464 grain H2O = 1.718 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.235 inch = 56.77 mm
Barrel Length : 14.5 inch = 368.3 mm
Powder : Hodgdon CFE223
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 84 22.86 2265 775 33239 10643 82.6 1.004
-09.0 85 23.11 2294 794 34310 10828 83.4 0.991
-08.0 86 23.37 2322 814 35416 11011 84.1 0.978
-07.0 87 23.62 2350 834 36565 11192 84.9 0.966
-06.0 88 23.88 2379 854 37752 11372 85.6 0.951
-05.0 89 24.13 2408 875 38980 11551 86.3 0.936
-04.0 90 24.38 2436 896 40252 11727 87.0 0.922
-03.0 91 24.64 2465 918 41569 11901 87.7 0.908
-02.0 92 24.89 2495 940 42932 12074 88.4 0.894
-01.0 93 25.15 2524 962 44346 12243 89.0 0.880
+00.0 93 25.40 2553 984 45810 12410 89.7 0.867
+01.0 94 25.65 2583 1007 47328 12575 90.3 0.853 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 95 25.91 2612 1030 48902 12736 90.9 0.840 ! Near Maximum !
+03.0 96 26.16 2642 1054 50535 12894 91.5 0.827 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 97 26.42 2672 1078 52229 13049 92.1 0.814 ! Near Maximum !
+05.0 98 26.67 2702 1102 53989 13200 92.7 0.802 ! Near Maximum !
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 93 25.40 2643 1055 50404 12798 93.5 0.829 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 93 25.40 2455 910 41511 11876 85.0 0.908
Looking at other powders for the same estimated velocity-
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 68, Hornady BTHP M 2278
Useable Case Capaci: 26.464 grain H2O = 1.718 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.235 inch = 56.77 mm
Barrel Length : 14.5 inch = 368.3 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Barrel Time: 0.867 milliseconds
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
27 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Accurate 2495 99.7 23.8 1.54 2650 98.7 50784 12759 0.866 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 99.8 22.8 1.47 2594 97.1 46001 12439 0.867
Alliant AR-Comp 94.9 22.4 1.45 2588 99.7 45877 11844 0.867
Accurate 2520 96.0 24.7 1.60 2587 94.6 48042 12410 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 87.8 20.9 1.36 2576 99.7 50012 11351 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 99.1 24.2 1.57 2571 90.0 47010 12551 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 94.8 25.2 1.64 2569 91.7 46932 12488 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 91.6 24.1 1.56 2564 94.0 49084 11955 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 100.5 24.5 1.59 2562 89.9 47075 12397 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 90.3 20.8 1.35 2561 99.2 48218 11437 0.866 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 91.5 24.0 1.56 2561 92.8 45924 12287 0.867
Accurate 2015 93.6 21.8 1.42 2558 98.7 48810 11389 0.866 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 99.9 24.4 1.58 2557 89.1 47089 12345 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 97.1 23.3 1.51 2557 95.4 47337 11956 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 98.4 23.5 1.52 2557 92.7 48737 12003 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 96.0 23.4 1.52 2556 91.0 47257 12215 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 93.4 25.4 1.65 2553 89.7 45796 12409 0.867
Vihtavuori N540 99.2 24.5 1.59 2546 95.1 47049 11949 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 87.0 23.2 1.50 2545 95.1 46666 11853 0.867
Ramshot Big Game 98.9 25.7 1.67 2544 88.5 45783 12295 0.867
Hodgdon H322 91.7 21.7 1.41 2542 96.2 46119 11682 0.866
Hodgdon H380 101.6 25.3 1.64 2541 86.9 47464 12149 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 94.1 24.5 1.59 2536 89.6 46473 12031 0.867
Vihtavuori N530 92.1 22.6 1.46 2533 92.1 46795 11805 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 98.9 23.6 1.53 2531 95.7 46822 11534 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 90.5 23.9 1.55 2530 91.6 48091 11619 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 103.9 26.8 1.74 2530 81.6 45908 12311 0.866
Winchester 760 103.9 26.8 1.74 2530 81.6 45908 12311 0.866
IMR 8208 XBR 93.9 22.9 1.48 2525 92.0 46858 11658 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 91.6 22.8 1.48 2521 96.4 46711 11351 0.867
Alliant Reloder-7 84.2 19.9 1.29 2517 99.5 48188 10691 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 102.1 23.5 1.52 2510 89.1 46655 11563 0.867
IMR 4320 100.2 24.0 1.56 2509 88.6 45398 11694 0.867
Vihtavuori N130 92.3 21.0 1.36 2508 99.0 47693 10712 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 91.2 23.7 1.54 2505 90.0 47367 11437 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 100.8 23.8 1.54 2502 88.4 46142 11546 0.867
Vihtavuori N133 97.6 21.8 1.41 2500 98.1 46734 10771 0.867
Accurate 2200 84.2 20.9 1.35 2499 94.5 46843 11082 0.866 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 93.5 24.6 1.59 2499 86.0 47165 11531 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 92.5 22.2 1.44 2498 93.2 47185 11167 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 86.6 19.3 1.25 2492 100.0 47593 9801 0.867 ! Near Maximum IMR 4007 SSC 102.4 25.3 1.64 2490 82.3 47689 11433 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 87.0 19.0 1.23 2490 99.4 45503 10455 0.867
Hodgdon H4198 84.2 19.3 1.25 2461 96.1 46011 10409 0.867
52gr: Looks like the high 2700 and low 2800 fps will provide some accuracy- same caveat as above. 27.8gr CFE223 @ 2771 fps. Next node is kissing the 55k saami psi at 50k.
Barrel nodes: .625 .679 .747 .802 .869 .925 .991 1.048 1.113 1.171
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 52, Hornady BTHP M 2249
Useable Case Capaci: 28.482 grain H2O = 1.849 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.200 inch = 55.88 mm
Barrel Length : 14.5 inch = 368.3 mm
Powder : Hodgdon CFE223
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 86 25.02 2447 691 31027 10229 75.7 0.926
-09.0 86 25.30 2478 709 32044 10427 76.5 0.914
-08.0 87 25.58 2510 727 33098 10624 77.4 0.903
-07.0 88 25.85 2541 746 34190 10820 78.2 0.891
-06.0 89 26.13 2574 765 35312 11016 79.0 0.880
-05.0 90 26.41 2606 784 36494 11211 79.9 0.869
-04.0 91 26.69 2639 804 37709 11405 80.7 0.855
-03.0 92 26.97 2671 824 38970 11598 81.5 0.842
-02.0 93 27.24 2704 845 40278 11789 82.3 0.828
-01.0 94 27.52 2738 866 41635 11979 83.1 0.815
+00.0 95 27.80 2771 887 43043 12167 83.9 0.803
+01.0 96 28.08 2805 909 44504 12353 84.7 0.790
+02.0 97 28.36 2839 931 46022 12537 85.4 0.777
+03.0 98 28.63 2873 953 47599 12719 86.2 0.765 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 99 28.91 2907 976 49237 12897 86.9 0.753 ! Near Maximum !
+05.0 100 29.19 2942 1000 50939 13073 87.6 0.741 ! Near Maximum !
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 95 27.80 2879 957 47288 12725 88.5 0.767 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 95 27.80 2656 815 39062 11484 78.6 0.841
Other powders:
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 52, Hornady BTHP M 2249
Useable Case Capaci: 28.482 grain H2O = 1.849 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.200 inch = 55.88 mm
Barrel Length : 14.5 inch = 368.3 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Barrel Time: 0.803 milliseconds
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
24 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Accurate 2495 102.1 26.2 1.70 2907 95.6 47363 13217 0.803 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 89.5 23.0 1.49 2842 97.6 46705 11939 0.802
Alliant AR-Comp 96.8 24.6 1.59 2838 97.2 42631 12382 0.802
IMR 3031 101.8 25.0 1.62 2834 92.8 42788 12652 0.802
Accurate 2520 97.9 27.1 1.76 2823 89.9 44787 12473 0.803
Alliant Reloder-10x 91.8 22.7 1.47 2814 96.3 44652 11870 0.803
Norma 203 old 105.6 28.0 1.82 2813 86.3 44637 12538 0.803
Accurate 2015 95.3 23.9 1.55 2811 95.7 45490 11785 0.802
Accurate 2460 93.4 26.4 1.71 2803 89.4 46022 12028 0.802
IMR 4895 101.0 26.5 1.72 2801 84.6 43952 12421 0.802
Hodgdon BL-C2 96.6 27.7 1.79 2796 86.4 43793 12359 0.803
Norma 202 98.8 25.5 1.65 2795 90.9 44157 12047 0.802
Norma 201 100.2 25.7 1.67 2794 87.9 45716 12010 0.802
Norma 203B 102.4 26.9 1.74 2791 84.5 44015 12260 0.802
Winchester 748 93.2 26.3 1.71 2790 87.5 43004 12224 0.802
Hodgdon H4895 97.7 25.7 1.66 2788 85.7 44216 12135 0.802
Alliant Reloder-15 101.7 26.7 1.73 2786 83.6 44069 12190 0.802
Vihtavuori N540 101.0 26.8 1.74 2781 90.6 43963 11967 0.802
Hodgdon H335 88.5 25.4 1.64 2781 90.5 43433 11913 0.802
Hodgdon H322 93.2 23.7 1.54 2779 91.8 42669 11816 0.803
Alliant Reloder-7 85.4 21.7 1.41 2773 97.0 44790 11160 0.802
Hodgdon CFE223 95.0 27.8 1.80 2771 83.9 43047 12168 0.803
Vihtavuori N140 100.6 25.9 1.68 2767 91.3 43573 11625 0.802
Vihtavuori N530 93.6 24.7 1.60 2764 86.9 43614 11757 0.802
Hodgdon H380 103.4 27.7 1.80 2762 81.2 44389 11906 0.803
Ramshot Wild Boar 95.7 26.9 1.74 2762 84.1 43514 11865 0.802
Accurate 2230 92.1 26.2 1.70 2761 86.4 44992 11576 0.802
Vihtavuori N120 87.7 21.0 1.36 2761 99.8 43861 10554 0.803
Ramshot Big Game 100.6 28.1 1.82 2759 82.6 43065 12016 0.803
Alliant Reloder-12 93.1 24.9 1.61 2759 92.2 43421 11475 0.802
Vihtavuori N125 82.5 20.1 1.30 2756 99.7 43899 10511 0.803
Vihtavuori N130 93.6 23.0 1.49 2755 96.0 44232 11069 0.803
IMR 8208 XBR 95.4 25.0 1.62 2755 86.8 43731 11605 0.802
Vihtavuori N133 99.0 23.8 1.54 2741 94.5 43341 11028 0.803
IMR 4198 88.1 20.7 1.34 2740 96.7 41933 10883 0.802
IMR 4064 103.7 25.7 1.67 2735 83.6 43543 11417 0.802
Hodgdon H414 105.6 29.3 1.90 2734 75.3 43262 11836 0.803
Winchester 760 105.6 29.3 1.90 2734 75.3 43262 11836 0.803
Ramshot X-Terminator 92.6 25.9 1.68 2732 84.8 44415 11320 0.802
Accurate 2200 85.3 22.7 1.47 2732 89.8 43477 11142 0.803
Hodgdon Benchmark 93.7 24.2 1.57 2729 88.3 44038 11161 0.803
IMR 4320 101.7 26.3 1.70 2727 82.8 42603 11461 0.802
Hodgdon VARGET 102.3 26.0 1.68 2724 82.9 43123 11345 0.802
Ramshot TAC 95.0 26.9 1.74 2721 80.5 44336 11299 0.802
Hodgdon H4198 85.0 21.0 1.36 2696 91.8 42549 10554 0.803
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Post by manofsteel on Jul 28, 2015 7:16:24 GMT -7
Ok Ill give it up, my match 556 load is 25.1g of Varget 77g or 75g bullet loaded to mag length. Runs about 2750fps and is the closest I have come to the mk262 round.
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Post by solostyle on Jul 31, 2015 18:55:12 GMT -7
Thank you all for the replies.I decided on H335 behind the 75gn Hornady HPBT.Time to work up some loads and see were i end up.
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